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Lariv · May 04, 2009, 01:19 PM // 13:19

I'm actually getting sick of seeing only CoP builds or AP EBAS builds. So I'd like to see any innovative Mesmer builds.

Betrayer of Wind · May 04, 2009, 01:22 PM // 13:22

Lyssa's aura and spam everything you can with EBSoW

Extend conditions+a good mix of daze/dw/blind/others is also very fun

Eragon Zarroc · May 04, 2009, 07:21 PM // 19:21

LMAO, if u want to see innovative builds, make your own. don't make posts challenging everyone to make innovative builds when you yourself cannot make one.

Helix Dreadlock · May 04, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Maybe he was asking for a variant? I perfer:
[build; OQZEA7YKvzQMKi9CRn6AX0AEAA]
[build; OQZCAcw0LgNICoB4KwHgcJyA]
[build; OQZDAswzQuN2gaAcAsg5AylIDA]
[build; OQRCAcw0HAH0EwagBoNlTgAA]
[build; OQNEAqwD+i42aARkD9QG0SyE]
[build; OQBDAqsjO5gLgbjD0DyAKfPA]
or [build; OQdDAowjOuNOgMQDkBICogJI]
Goodluck!

Yuna Matsumarui · May 05, 2009, 09:03 AM // 09:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by yamazaru

Each class has their ups and downs. So why can't the Mesmer? Every class can be good at PvE and PvP. Why can't the Mesmer? I'm just wondering who has any different builds.

I play mesmer in Pve, but i don't come asking here for builds, because I'm to lame to make one myself. the thing is, in pve you should kill stuff quickly, people use Cry of Pain for that one, what's wrong with high AoE damage? especially if it's armor-ignoring.

but to be able to spam it, people bring skills like QZ, or the elite that recharges your spells 33% faster, though assassin promise owns it, because stuff dies fast in pve ( the way I play it ) to that would be a free skill recharge + energy, that's why people use Assassin's Promise.

otherwise I'd suggest to bring either a Me/E fast cast snarer/nuker
or a Me/* Domination interrupter, but again, Assassin's Promise works "quite" well in pve.

haggus71 · May 05, 2009, 02:02 PM // 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

LMAO, if u want to see innovative builds, make your own. don't make posts challenging everyone to make innovative builds when you yourself cannot make one.

This.

Learn to play the Mesmer, and you will be able to put together the builds. If you want to see what builds are out there, go to PVXwiki. If you need help with something, just come out and ask. If we are posting here, chances are we already know how to make such builds. Your post shows you don't.

Painbringer · May 05, 2009, 08:46 PM // 20:46

Everyone uses PVE skills as a crutch to make them better. Well IMO try progressing in a campaign with Core skills only. Build a good balanced skill set and hero’s to match the type of damge you want to do and see if game play changes for you. I am not sure if you remember how hard GW was before the new campaigns and heroes came out. Believe me there where many areas that people could not pass. Good luck to you

upier · May 05, 2009, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Painbringer

Everyone uses PVE skills as a crutch to make them better.

I don't see why in PvE using the BEST option is considered a "crutch", yet in PvP doing the same thing means you are a good player!

You use PvE skills because they are the best skills around!

faraaz · May 09, 2009, 06:43 AM // 06:43

When I'm bored of AP EVAS spam (I dont use VoR..its just boring) on my mesmer I use this [Fevered Dreams] because imo that is the sexiest mesmer elite there is. The build goes something like:

[fevered dreams][fragility][glyph of immolation][steam][accumulated pain][you move like a dwarf][ebon battle standard of wisdom][cry of pain]

Works just fine without the PvE skills of course since the core mechanic involves around spreading conditions (which the rest of your necros should help with), although I must say, ASKING for builds and then bemoaning the prevalence of PvE skills in all builds makes you look like a hypocrite & a noob. <.<

ac0okiemonst3r · May 10, 2009, 03:16 AM // 03:16

^agree on VoR account and hypocrisy. im actually gonna go try that build ^^. i normally run that AP-DW peWpeW build, but ill try this

Phe Belladona · May 11, 2009, 06:06 AM // 06:06

actually in most cases ppl say ppl abusing the broken builds are retards who are carried by the build, there are a few exceptions ofc, but for the most part ppl dont consider FC MoI mesmers and WE warriors "good players"..

upier · May 11, 2009, 09:22 AM // 09:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phe Belladona

actually in most cases ppl say ppl abusing the broken builds are retards who are carried by the build, there are a few exceptions ofc, but for the most part ppl dont consider FC MoI mesmers and WE warriors "good players"..

Does that mean that the best player aren't running this overpowered crap? Are they seriously gimping themselves and running sub-par skills?

Longasc · May 11, 2009, 10:06 AM // 10:06

I think the real innovation is that Mesmer left their subtle and tricky nature behind and now do raw damage. :>

+ they are now accepted by other players.

Bill Clinton · May 11, 2009, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Does that mean that the best player aren't running this overpowered crap? Are they seriously gimping themselves and running sub-par skills?

Who ever said anything about sub-par builds? Variations on current popular builds and new builds all together are not necessarily bad.
There are a lot of people like you who think that if its not a commonly run build its useless. Sure, those which are most commonly used builds are likely to deal the most damage/heal/protect the best, but that doesnt mean everything else is sub-par. The 'par' for PvE is actually much lower than most of you have been deluded into thinking.

And thats why its the more experienced players who deviate from the standard build crap like sabway, because they are good enough to understand how to flag their heros apart every now and then when needed and experiment. while enjoying every bit as much success as the rest of you.
For everyone else, its easy enough for them to mindlessly wander through PvE and then wonder why they're bored.

upier · May 12, 2009, 06:16 AM // 06:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

Sure, those which are most commonly used builds are likely to deal the most damage/heal/protect the best, but that doesnt mean everything else is sub-par.

If a build does not reach the level of effectiveness of a competing build - then the build is sub-par.

What you described is linked to having fun rather then being at your most effective. Nobody is arguing that people will not succeed with sub-par builds. Because they will. Because you are right - one is able to make up for the lost effectiveness by playing better. But that same player with a certain skill level, would have performed better had he ran the most effective build.

Improvavel · May 13, 2009, 01:22 AM // 01:22

Same old same old - its not used by many its fantastic. Once its get spread it stupid imbalanced retarded crap any noob can use it.

Good players put the builds together first and are probably better with them than worse players.

Builds that are very complex/prone to mistake and very rewarding if well executed are very rare in GW due to the way the skills/game are designed.

And being easy is a quality of its own. In MTG which the GW skills are inspired on, everyone talks about the complex combo and control decks, but the damn beatdown creature decks can still beat them due to being robust and less prone to player mistake.

And any hero build needs to be simple or the hero AI will screw it. You want to minimize the input to your heroes and focus on your build. Its a lot more fun that way.

faraaz · May 13, 2009, 04:33 PM // 16:33

As was said on the Sacred UW forums (I read it a while ago and cant find the link to save my life. If anyone else knows about this I'd love a link to the original page),

"There are no rare builds. Just weak ones."

That said, +1 to Improvavel.

OneSickCrow · May 13, 2009, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Decent Anti-monk for RA and TA, works against any caster really.

Arcane Larcenry
Arcane Thievery
Signet Of Humility
Mind Blast
Glyph of Immoltion
Ether Lord
Ether Signet
Rez Sig in RA/Arcane Echo for extra skill steal in TA

Goes something like this. You run in there. Cast Glyph of Immoltion when its up to spread burning to foes using mind blast or one of the skills you stole if you can use it. Cast your arcane larcenry and thievery on monks or one of their casters as well as signet of humility. Use Ether Lord when you get to your last 5 energy and Ether signet right after to bost your energy to about 17 right away and then you have plus 7 energy regen. You do a 11 domination, 10 inspiration and 10 fire with a plus 1 for domination and inspiration. Use 2 runes of attunment and 1 sup. vigor. Use radient insignias on chest and legs and then w.e use a plus I have the power on weapon. This build will mess up casters

Bill Clinton · May 15, 2009, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

If a build does not reach the level of effectiveness of a competing build - then the build is sub-par.

What you described is linked to having fun rather then being at your most effective. Nobody is arguing that people will not succeed with sub-par builds. Because they will. Because you are right - one is able to make up for the lost effectiveness by playing better. But that same player with a certain skill level, would have performed better had he ran the most effective build.

I agree with what you're saying. but I guess my point was that just because something is sub-par, it does not make it useless.
Whenever someone tries to be inovative and make up a new build, 85% of the people on these boards will tear it to shreds and deem it useless simply because they think it is sub-par to the competing, widely used, builds. To me, that is a bad mentality since it strangles all the variety and creativity from the game that used to be so prominent when a new expansion came out, or with the old skill updates. And for no real progress either, it just makes the community narrow minded and elitest - when it doesn't have to be when so much effective choice is available.

But then I guess it all depends on your enjoyment of the game, going out there and beating FoW with eight pets in your team, or getting uber l33t titles as fast as possible.

Also, to get on subject. Check out the new buff to [fragility].
The build
I just went out on my assassin as a perma tank with ["you move like a dwarf"!][tenais crystals][ear bite] on my bar.
Then I had one standard fevered dreams mesmer [fevered dreams][shrinking armor][accumulated pain][drain delusions]
And a [Virulence] Necromancer.

The useage
It works like this: find a mob, flag the heroes away and go tank all the enemies (properly, so they are all adjacent to you).
Then unflag them and call any random adjacent enemy. (This will ensure the [virulence] necro doesnt need to be macroed).
As the mesmer hero runs in, put a green tick over [fragility] and [fevered dreams]. Once you've done that - the hero will take care of the rest.
When you see that little purple arrow appear on the called target, use ["you move like a dwarf"!] while casting [ear bite]. On this second the mesmer will cast [accumilated pain] followed by [drain dellusions] while the necro will hit [virulence].
Then you cast [Teinai's Crystals] roughly two seconds after [ear bite].

The results
In roughly 3 seconds you will hit eight conditions on all enemies, then have removed them all with [Teinai's Crystals]
1.Daze [fevered dreams]
2.Weakness [virulence]
3.Poisen [Virulence]
4.Disease [Virulence]
5. Cracked armor [shrinking armor]
6. Bleeding [ear bite]
7.Cripple ["you move like a dwarf!"]
8.Deep wound [accumilated pain]

This deals (with an illusion of 15) 360 armor ignoring damage to all the foes from fragility. Which is a little less damage than four [cry of pain] mesmers. that damage is bumped to about 400 or higher depending on the tanks spec into earth magic, though.